A discussion on removal of PvP at AC

itburnz wrote:So...my point of view.

So you probably know i mainly PvE, i find it to be more enjoyable in WoW than PvP, although i dont mind a drawn out AV or a close WSG.

So, do i think the removal is a good idea?

From previous experience with servers, there tend to be two demographics. 1 is PVP/Arena 1 is PvE/Raiding. Now im not saying these dont mix, alot of the times PvPers are also amung the best PvEers.

The PvPers want world pvp, battlegroups consistantly and decent PvP gear.

The PvEers want a good progression path, difficult yet straightforward raids and access to more PvE content.


With the server currently growing as it is, we are currently in an odd phase, where we want new players to stay and be interested, while still keeping the veterans around with something to do.

AC PvP removal does two things, for PvEers and new players looking to gear up, its a good change.

Easier access to bosses and ability to farm T2 unhindered (unless you gear doesnt drop (sorry Leo!.)

But for PvP this change kills alot of the potential off. While hillsbrad is a good idea for a PvP zone, it lacks content to keep people in the zone and therefore a possible PvP target.



So....what would i change?

First, we have to figure a way of incentivising PvP, either through BGs (adding tokens for S2 for instance or a daily for some other reward.)
Or make the middle of hillsbrad a more attractive centre.  (Adding other mobs with better loot or more quests.)

Second, We have to attempt to engage in working with both demographics. PvEers, go to WSG sometimes! PVPers come help a group needing DPS in AC!

Third, We are a community guys. We are all investing time here...lets not make it a waste?

TL;DR Add more PvP incentives for BGs, More reasons to stay in Hillsbrad make AC more of a gearing/quest hub.

Logged wrote:I didn't bother reading any of the previous comments on the topic. I'm just going to put my opinion out there and move on. Currently the server seems to be lacking in PvP areas. And keeping AC a PvP zone at least kept some action going. However, I can understand the Pver's side. I just don't care. At all. PvP is apart of the game, you need to learn to deal with it. Think of it as another mechanic to deal with during your tank n spank world bosses rooofl.

silverl0l wrote:Ok I didn't bother reading through all of the posts here, so I'm just going to state my opinion about the current PvP-situation.

There is no PvP at the moment. Hardly any BGs running, no arenas, no nothing. It's so much easier to get gear by PvE and it still owns in PvP which doesn't make sense. Resilience has to be fixed.

I know it's a somewhat "new" server and the population isn't that high yet, but it doesn't really help when we got a 80% Horde population and noone is joining Alliance.
Example: Last night we were 5 Alliance online and 22 hordes. Yet still people were leveling new Horde characters.

On the AC PvP situation: Just because it's a PvE mall, shouldn't ruin the fun for the PvP'ers and gankers. It's a part of having an open world. I think that PvP should be allowed everywhere, except for event-spots and inside of the malls (unless its the pvp one). Open world PvE means a chance of getting your whole raid f*cked up by some gankers or whoever feels like whiping your raid.

That's why the harder PvE content is instanced, and not open-world.

• More stuff to do on the server
  
• More World PvP
  
• Horde VS Alliance
  
• Most players love AC PvP
  
• Server is built around AC PvP - PvP gear is very easy to obtain
  

• The PvE only players, that just like to do PvE, don't like PvP at all and will complain every time they die while doing a boss
  

Cons for having AC PvP:

• The PvE only players, that just like to do PvE, don't like PvP at all and will complain every time they die while doing a boss
  

We may have a solution for this.
We are thinking about making a 1-2 max person dungeon where you can get T2 gear in an instanced environment. This instance will be much longer for you to obtain your set of gear since you will have to kill a bunch of mobs before you get to the bosses. This way it will make people want to do AC to get gear faster but also have an option to do an instanced version of AC

silverl0l wrote:

Cons for having AC PvP:

• The PvE only players, that just like to do PvE, don't like PvP at all and will complain every time they die while doing a boss
  

We may have a solution for this.
We are thinking about making a 1-2 max person dungeon where you can get T2 gear in an instanced environment. This instance will be much longer for you to obtain your set of gear since you will have to kill a bunch of mobs before you get to the bosses. This way it will make people want to do AC to get gear faster but also have an option to do an instanced version of AC

That's the part of being on a PvP server.

What about now? All the PvP'ers complain about NO PvP and we don't have alternatives like PvE'ers do. We can't go to an instanced area to get gear, we need to farm 2-3 dailies a day to get 1/10 of what we need for ONE piece. There's no reason for PvE'ers to complain at all.

If you make them have an option the open-world PvE will die out very fast. Because who wants to risk getting their encounter ruined by some PvP'ers when they can go to a dungeon instead which is 2-man and probably much easier and faster? That won't be a fix, I'm sorry to say.